On Counter-Strike: Global-Offensive (Steam), a topic has been boiling up for days: “Should women have their own e-sports leagues, or not?” Well-known and established CS:GO commentators are talking their heads off right now. The discussion reached its high (or low) point on December 28, when CS:GO commentator Thorin exclaimed: He is E-Sports! He built the industry and it still rests on his shoulders. You can’t ban him from the industry, he said.
This is the situation with CS GO:
- CS:GO is an e-sports title dominated by men. The casters and commentators are also men – unlike LoL, where there are many women in front of the camera.
- Two of the main commentators are Auguste “Semmler” Massonnat (33) and Duncan “Thorin” Shields (38). The two are well-known casters and hosts for CS:GO. They also like to give “hot takes”, i.e. shake comments on current topics out of their sleeves.
- Before Christmas, the question came up whether to open a separate women’s contest for CS:GO. In games like Valorant, there are more and more all-female teams.
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This is the discussion: Semmler kicked off a shitstorm before Christmas for saying a women-only CS:GO league runs under the message “men are toxic,” but in reality the message is “if we play against men, we’ll just lose.”
Every competition in CS:GO is “open to all” – of course women can play there. But they wouldn’t have any success there.
Semmler criticized this idea of a women’s league. She said it would not lead to the desired result of women and men playing against each other. If you wanted that, women would have to fight their way through the normal competitions and train hard for it – every day.
Besides, he said, the idea discriminates against men. Semmler asked, “When is the league for men only coming?” That sparked a lot of protest.
He said that if one wanted to have a “women-only league” without pursuing the idea of equality, then such a league was okay and he completely supported the idea. But why should women compete against men when they have the option of enjoying a guaranteed payday in a much weaker environment?
His colleague Thorin then defended Semmler after Christmas, was also criticized for it, and it culminated in an angry outburst saying, “I’m e-sports.”
What exactly did Thorin said? Thorin has gone on at length about women in e-sports and feminism.
He said that whenever you comment on “women in e-sports”, they say you can’t say anything about it if you’re not a woman. Anyone who says something like him must hate women and doesn’t want them in e-sports.
He then asked, “Have you ever wondered why you can only get cynical advertisers and later sex offenders, male feminists to help you, and you are unable to get any known and talented people in the industry on your side?
Tell you what, why don’t you do that cute little thing where you tell me to get out of the business that I built and that still rests on my shoulders. I AM E-SPORTS! Lift yourself away, you servant.”
Wikipedia entry mocks Thorin
What was the reaction? You can roughly imagine it.
As with Semmler, many users wondered if Thorin still had all his pearls in a string. He had the mental maturity of a 16-year-old. People wondered what Thorin actually did for a living…:
- One said, “We’re just watching a man slowly destroy his career and it’s hilarious.”
- One user compared Thorin’s statement to a school bus crashing into a preschool.
- A prankster changed the Wikipedia entry on esports to: “Esports (also known as Thorin, Duncan Shields or Thooooorin).
Source: Inven
Thorin, however, was not deterred by this and went for it again:
Some people in Rocket League wondered who Thorin was. He could hardly be “e-sports” if he had no relevance for them.
In response, Thorin said: Rocket League is not an e-sport. That’s soccer for idiotic zoomers.
What’s behind it: It is an extremely emotionally charged debate.
Semmler and Thorin are the “established guard at CS:GO” and both are apparently extremely annoyed that you couldn’t talk about “women in e-sports” in an unbiased way, but are immediately attacked personally for statements that deviate from “Total approval for any idea”.
They feel victimized, see themselves deliberately misunderstood, made out to be “white old men” and “misogynists”.
In fact, the tenor in the comments on them is very toxic.
Thorin, of all people, has then switched up in response to the criticism of him and really lashed out. This ensures that an already explosive topic then really boiled up. Thorin is not one to let a shitstorm pass him by silently and to keep to himself, but he really gets going again.
A joy for all involved at Christmas.
Indeed, women are underrepresented in e-sports. The discussion about this always stirs up tempers:
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